Randall Kick Wheel

by Brett Robinson
(Long Island,NY)

I just bought my first used Randall Kick Wheel. I didn't get the instructions. How do you remove the splash guard and wheel platform(where you place the clay)?
I suspect it is rusted because I can't figure out how to remove the platform so I can replace it with a different one. Instructions or a manual would be great if I knew where to order it. Or if you have any advice.

Brett,
I have heard various solutions to this from WD40 and a few taps with a rubber mallet to heating up the wheel head.

It likely is rusted on there, which means that it IS possible to get it off.

I'm in favor of the WD40 method. Spray it liberally up around the connection between wheel head and shaft and let it sit an hour. Then gently tap on it with a rubber mallet and gently wiggle the wheel head.

If that doesn't work, re-spray, wait, and repeat.

As far as a manual, I couldn't find anything.

Anyone out there have a Randall Kick Wheel Manual or know where to find one?

They're cool wheels.

Let me know how it goes!

Steve

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Oct 26, 2020
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Randall Wheel bats
by: Richard

Very lightly used plaster bats for a Randall Wheel with a bucket head. I have 2 sizes (12" and 16")and recommend pick-up rather than shipping. I am located in PA south of Pittsburgh.

Aug 25, 2020
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Removing stuck bucket head NEW
by: Katy

I had a bucket head stuck for over 25 years. I used WD 40, soaked the shaft area, let stand for 24 hours, the worked bucket head back and forth ....was able to pull off. Can also use essential oil, multi-purpose as well. You don’t need a lug puller if allow soaking time.

Aug 25, 2020
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removing the bucket head NEW
by: Anonymous

A large wheel puller is how we removed the wheel heads that were stuck. Usually an auto garage has wheel pullers...or more likely a truck garage.

Aug 25, 2020
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Link To Manual NEW
by: Anonymous

I scanned the manual. Here is a link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxdPYpF6jogjRkxmTm1UQkUtRjNUMEJzT0RhUkMwLUhLaG53/view?usp=sharing

Aug 25, 2020
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Randall Manual....... Jess, are you still on here? NEW
by: Lorie Marsh

From: Jul 08, 2017

I have a Randall manual
by: Jess

I'm willing to make copies if anyone needs them.
Jess

Jess, if you're still on here, I'd love a copy of the manual! Can you email me at loriemarshceramics@gmail.com?

Aug 25, 2020
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Contact Wheel
by: Lorie Marsh

I'm sorry I am late to the game. I just stumbled across this page. I noticed multiple entries about replacement contact wheels. For the last six years I have been purchasing mine from: https://beaumontmetalworks.com/product/3-contact-wheel-copy/

They work great!

Jul 27, 2020
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Randall bats
by: Richard

I have large and regular sized bats for a Randall wheel (no longer have the mold) If you are interested and wish to contact me:atticdoor@comcast.net

Jul 26, 2020
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Looking for a Randall Wheel
by: Anonymous

Anyone know of a Randall pottery wheel (electric or manual) for sale, in or near the Chicago area?? Thanks!

Jul 26, 2020
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Looking for Randall wheel NEW
by: Anonymous

Anyone know of a Randall kick (electric or manual) for sale near the Chicago area? Thanks!

May 23, 2020
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Bucket molds NEW
by: Katy

Refer to my August 12, 2019 comment.
Has address of contact for molds for plaster bats for bucket head.

May 23, 2020
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Bats or molds NEW
by: Melanie

I messaged with someone quite a while back about bat molds.
At the time i did not take advantage of the molds.

Does anyone have any molds or bats available for the bucket head?

Apr 30, 2020
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Bucket head and drive wheel puck needed NEW
by: Anonymous

I herhabet an old Randall and need a replacement Bucket head and drive wheel puck needed. Also need a mold for a large plaster bat that fits in the bucket head. If anyone has parts please contact me.

Thanks you

Dan Vito
Fireborn Studios
fireborn.con (use web form)
412-953-1340 and leave a message








Nov 12, 2019
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Fly wheel / Randall NEW
by: Katy

Are you certain you have a Randall wheel? As I recall, Randall’s all have the black drive wheel hard rubber on outer top edge of concrete wheel....whether ordered with or without the motor.

If not a Randall, Take picture and go to a machine shop for guidance.

Nov 11, 2019
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rubber drive wheel NEW
by: Anonymous

So this is new info- Everyone I've spoken to insists that a strip of contact rubber cannot be merely glued onto a drive wheel and I need a new one with vulcanized rubber. Anyone able to weigh in?

Nov 11, 2019
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Fly wheel contact strip NEW
by: Katy

Just rotate the fly wheel as you put down contact rubber ....no need to remove motor if think about it ..... simple.

If need to remove motor, mark where angle iron is on frame tubing so can reposition back at same level when replacing U bolts. Motor housing bracket welded to frame angle iron.

Nov 11, 2019
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Motor angle iron bracket / fly wheel contact strip. NEW
by: Katy

Because the drive wheel is about 1/4"-3/8" above the fly wheel before foot pedal depressed, should be able to slip a piece of contact rubber under there to adhere to fly wheel without removing motor bracket. It is no big deal to remove that motor angle iron bracket that motor is mounted to though ... just two U brackets with 2 bolts each....

Nov 10, 2019
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Ugh still can’t figure out how to remove the motor NEW
by: Laura

Ok I need to remove the 2 u bolts to remove the motor from the wheel so I can get the rubber wheel drive off. Can’t figure out how to do this. Where are they and what about the rubber cords? My friend wants me to glue a track of rubber to the fly wheel and forget about removing the motor. Help!

Nov 07, 2019
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Drive Wheel NEW
by: Anonymous

Best thing for you to do is remove the two U bolts /brackets and take the entire motor to a machine shop, let them pull the drive wheel off. You could damage shaft. I just used WD-40, let it seep in for a couple days, slightly heated up metal to expand due to some rust over time, then it popped right off. Did same with bucket head that was stuck on wheel shaft after 30 years of non use.

Nov 07, 2019
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Drive wheel removal NEW
by: Anonymous

Removing the motor and setting upright helps the penetrating oil seep in. It also makes the procedure way less difficult. You can skip that step but you may be sorry you did. It's up to you.

Nov 07, 2019
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One more ? NEW
by: Laura

Thanks for info about wheel drive removal- do I have to remove motor if I get the gear pull?

Nov 07, 2019
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rEMOVING THE DRIVE WHEEL NEW
by: Anonymous

1. Remove the moter and get it up on a bench.
2. Set the motor in end with the drive wheel up.
3. Spray penetrating oil on shaft where it penetrates the wheel Bering.
4. Repeat several times.
5. Go to Auto zone and rent a three sided gear puller
6. Use the gear puller to remove the drive wheel.


Nov 07, 2019
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Removal of rubber wheel drive NEW
by: laura

Sorry to put this out again, but I cannot remove the drive wheel from my Randall wheel. I did remove the screw and its difficult to gain purchase because the motor is in the way! Help!

Nov 03, 2019
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randall wheel for sale NEW
by: Anonymous

oct 27th response in georgia

Nov 03, 2019
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Looking to buy a Randal Kick wheel NEW
by: Pudding River Pottery

I am in Arizona and am looking for a Randal Kick wheel. It can be in poor condition if the price is right an the location is reasonable.

Nov 02, 2019
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electric motor NEW
by: Anonymous

I have a Randall Kick Wheel, but it didn't come with the electric motor. Does anyone have any ideas about where I might find a motor that would fit the wheel?

Nov 02, 2019
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In response to the Oct 27 comment NEW
by: Anonymous

Without posting too much of your personal information, could you tell me in which state the kick wheel you have for sale is located, please?

Oct 30, 2019
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removeing drive wheel NEW
by: Anonymous

Ok I need a new rubber drive wheel for my Randall wheel and cant figure out how to remove the old one. Help!

Oct 27, 2019
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randall wheel for sale
by: Anonymous

I have a Randall wheel with power attachment for sale If interested please send comment to this page
thanks

Oct 21, 2019
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Randall Drive Wheel Info NEW
by: Katy

Per the Randall manual, it states '3" diameter composition rubber' drive wheel. Included in the purchase items were two 2 1/2" diameter rubber drive wheels to be placed 1/4" to 3/8" above the kick wheel. The drive wheel is on a 5/8" shaft.

I contacted Bill VanGilder, potter with several Randall wheels. Info for drive wheel sourcing as follows:
Fixtureworks
www.fixtureworks.net
Phone: 888-794-8687
His recommendation: Under the Roller/Bumper section …. Urethane / Durometer 60/Blue OR can go up to the Urethane / Durometer 80/Red

The above info directly from the Randall manual in two different locations and per Bill VanGilder per his recommendation.

Oct 21, 2019
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Drive wheel NEW
by: Anonymous

I needed to know the dia. of the new drive wheel so I can purchase the proper size. The manual just gives a part number for a wheel that can no longer be purchased from a company that isn’t there.

Oct 21, 2019
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Randall Wheel Parts NEW
by: Katy

For specific parts and size of drive wheel refer to the manual which is loaded up as a PDF in the thread below.

Oct 21, 2019
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Reversing Motor Direction for Clockwise (Japanese Style) Throwing
by: Anonymous

I thought this might be helpful to someone in the future:

I got a Randall wheel but I throw clockwise so I wanted to see if I could set the motor up to go the other direction. At first I thought I could move the motor to the Right side of the wheel in order to keep it out of the way of my Left (kicking) foot. This does not work because of the angling of the motor mount.

I tried reversing the motor, leaving it on the Left side. This turned out to be pretty simple. I took it in to an electric motor service shop and asked if they could reverse the spin direction of the motor. When the guy opened it up there were instructions inside on how to reverse. He charged me 8 bucks.

After I re-attached the motor and tried it out I found that it works but results in a certain amount of chattering, again because of the angling of the motor mounting hardware.

I ultimately decided to remove the motor and just use it as a kickwheel.

Oct 21, 2019
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Wheel Drive/Speed NEW
by: Katy

From my experience and recommendation from Ted Randall at time I bought my wheel, do not start the electric motor drive wheel when the heavy fly wheel is full stop as puts unnecessary stress on motor and drive wheel. Best to kick the heavy fly wheel a bit to get momentum going then put foot on motor pedal engaging drive wheel with outer black band of fly wheel. Bottom line...always have fly wheel in motion before engaging motor/drive wheel. This goes for centering large amounts of clay or for slower trimming speeds. I typically don’t use motor for trimming but kick slowly as momentum is fast enough for trimming/finishing work. This should answer your question.

Oct 21, 2019
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Drive wheel
by: Anonymous

I just got a Randall kick wheel. Going over it I see the drive wheel is worn a little. I like to have spare parts so I have found drive wheels at McMaster Carr ( industrial supply place).
Mine is 2 1/4" diameter by 1" wide. But I have never used one of these wheels so I am not sure about the speed that is needed. Does anyone know drive wheel diameter, or am I being to picky?

Sep 19, 2019
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Replacement rubber wheels. NEW
by: Katy

Can go online, go to a machine tool business, Grainger Supply or some hardware stores carry them. Look at manual posted in this thread, take with you for fit... I believe a 1/2" rubber depth. Then slip in the motor shaft. I have had my Randall since 1971, never replaced the rubber wheel. If kick the fly wheel first to get started and then use motor to help with centering/pulling. Starting fly wheel from stop position does cause rubber wheel to wear faster.

Sep 19, 2019
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Randall wheel part needed
by: laura burch

I have a Randall and just noticed that the rubber on the drive wheel id completely gone! Does anyone have any idea as to what I can do to replace it?

Aug 12, 2019
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Plaster Bat Mold Source NEW
by: Katy

I purchased 12" and 16" molds from Chris for my Randall. They work great, perfect fit for the Randall bucket head. Is a hard plastic. He does not have the larger 20" …. I do have one large 20" plaster bat for platters/plates and am making a mold from that one...have to take the splash pan off to use the 20" and the shaft extender that came with the wheel.

Contact: Christopher Karg / kargpottery@gmail.com

Aug 10, 2019
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Randall Manual NEW
by: Anonymous

It should be freely available here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GZc7Vl0GBnY6GoabjQshS4hfHhAZY1wNZLpzKSBQrik/edit?usp=sharing

Aug 10, 2019
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Reply to Jess re manual
by: Melanie

Are you still willing to make a copy of the manual for me.
I tried to print from another post, but couldn’t get it to work for me .
Thank you,
Melanie

Aug 10, 2019
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Looking for parts
by: Anonymous

Looking for a wheel head or bat molds for the bucket head.

Aug 10, 2019
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Wheel head from AMACO
by: Katy

Typos corrected to note below. Sorry for the confusion.

Brent wheel head bought from AMACO in Indianapolis.

Aug 10, 2019
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Correction / used Brent wheel head fro AMOCO not Lockerbie
by: Katy

Correction to my comment below:
I used a Brent wheel head with 1" machine shaft, added adaptor tooled by:

ARBISER MACHINE
ISO 9001:2015 Registered
Bill McKlveen
2184 Flintstone Drive
Tucker, GA 30084
P:770-939-1240
F:770-938-7512

This works great, Arbiser adaptor tooled to fit the Randall tapered shaft. Contact me for pictures if needed...katybryant@bellsouth.net


Jun 14, 2019
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Randall Wheel / Parts
by: Katy / Atlanta

Wanted to leave some information for Randall Wheel owners. Bought my Randall from Ted Randall while in undergrad school,1970. Have the plaster bucket head, recently added flat wheel head … bought a Lockerbie 14" flat head from AMACO with a 1 1/2" machine shaft, took to local machine shop to tool an adapter tapered to fit over the Randall wheel shaft. Works beautifully. Total cost around $200. My bucket was 'welded on the shaft due to a little rust' after 36+ years absence. I used WD-40 leaving it soaking overnight, rubber mallet and blow torch heat to expand metal and it came right off. I just replaced the motor for $157 as was beginning to have issues with brushes. Now looking for rubber drive wheel as will need to replace soon. The Randall is one of the best wheels out there for potters wanting to be more a part of the process, kick with motor assistance. If anyone has the manual and rubber drive wheels please contact me: katybryant@bellsouth.net
Thanks lots...….

Jan 14, 2019
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Looking for Randall parts NEW
by: Mark from IN

Jennifer, do you still have your Randall wheel for sale?

Oct 03, 2018
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Original Randall Manual Scanned Online Here NEW
by: Tomizuka Pottery

Randall Kick Wheel Manual: https://goo.gl/vSSs41

Sep 30, 2018
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Randall wheel head NEW
by: Susan

Hi if someone has a mold for wheel heads or manual I would appreciate and if anyone has used a steel wheel head I would appreciate the manufacturer name
So excited to get started with my new purchase
Thanks!!

Sep 20, 2018
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Reversing motor direction for Lefties NEW
by: Frank Tomizuka

Informational post: I bought a motorized Randall and wanted to use the motor but I throw leftie (clockwise). There is no reverse switch on the motor so I took it to an electric motor shop to see if they could do it. The guy I saw said he wasn't sure but he would try. When I picked it up he said it worked and was easy. There were even instructions on how to reverse the motor inside the housing. He charged me 10 bucks.
I must say that while the reversed motor works it chatters a bit because of the angle of the drive. The motor is still in the way of your kicking foot and it does not work to just bolt the motor to the other side. I took it off and am just using it manually (pedally).

Sep 20, 2018
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Searching for bats or bat mold NEW
by: melanie

Yes Thank you to Jason for sharing the manual!
I’d still like to find a way to make some bats so I can use mine!

Sep 20, 2018
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Randall wheel for sale NEW
by: Jennifer

Hi! I have a Randall wheel for sale

Sep 11, 2018
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wheel head NEW
by: Vicki

I am trying to find a wheel head for my Randall kick wheel. I cannot find one anywhere online. is there another brand that is equivalent?

Jul 25, 2018
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Manuel NEW
by: joann

Thanks for sharing the Manuel, how wonderful!

May 12, 2018
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Need Randall Wheel Heads NEW
by: Jason

I just bought a Used Randall Motorized that needs a full restoration - But I need to get my hands muddy ASAP before I go insane! (It's been years)
Does anyone have a Flat Wheel Head they would be willing to spare ( This is my first Randall - I grew up with Brent and Lockerbie Wheels so want to start with familiar flat head and then maybe find a pan head to try it out ) I live in the great Northwest.

Thanks : centjason at yahoo dot com

May 11, 2018
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Randall wheel for sale NEW
by: Lydia Ferwerda

Wow, thanks for the link for the manual! That’s awesome!

Anyone looking to buy a Randall? I just don’t have room in my studio and need to sell it. Located in Maryland.

Email me: lydiaj.ferwerda@gmail.com

May 04, 2018
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Randall Kick Wheel Manual NEW
by: Frank Tomizuka

I recently bought a Randall Wheel (1968 produced). The potter's husband was an engineer who took very good care of the wheel and saved the whole manual. I shared it here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxdPYpF6jogjRkxmTm1UQkUtRjNUMEJzT0RhUkMwLUhLaG53

Apr 03, 2018
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Randall manual NEW
by: Marie

Jess, I would really love a copy of the manual! Please let me know how to contact you? Thank you so much!

Dec 26, 2017
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Flat Wheel Head Wanted NEW
by: Luke Metz

I am looking for a flat wheel head for my Randall (I already have a cup head).
Contact Luke: PotsByLuke@gmail.com

Dec 26, 2017
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Seeking Randall Kick Wheel flat wheel head NEW
by: Luke Metz

I have a cup head on my Randall and would love to switch to a flat wheel head. Contact me a PotsByLuke@gmail.com.

Dec 01, 2017
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Randall bat molds NEW
by: Anonymous

I have 2 Randall bat molds for sale. They are the 16" molds. I also have 4 or 5 rubber drive wheels for the motorized Randall wheel.
contact:

Duke
atticdoor@comcast.net

Nov 25, 2017
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Plaster bat mold NEW
by: Anonymous

I got plaster bat molds from Christopher Karg: kargpottery@gmail.com. He sells 2 mold sizes. The smaller size is the one I use most often.

Aug 02, 2017
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Randal Wheel Head or Bat needed NEW
by: Anonymous

Hello I just got a beautiful tractor seat Randall Kick Wheel with a place for a bat, but not bats. I would like to either get a wheelhead made or bats for this. I am not at all talented in the make-your-own-wheelhead department. I appreciate any help so I can use this beautiful wheel. Thank you, Marcia in California

Jul 08, 2017
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I have a Randall manual NEW
by: Jess

I'm willing to make copies if anyone needs them.
Jess

Oct 31, 2016
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Re rehabilitating an old Randall Kick wheel NEW
by: Jack D

I am assuming you got this corrected long since but if not here you go. The wheel head on a Randal is tapered as is the shaft end. The head just pushes down on the shaft and is help in place by friction. A god penetrating oil will usually help break it free. The first time you remove it after applying the penetrating oil you should use a pulley puller that has three jaws and is long and wide enough to grip under the head this method will remove the head with little difficulty. Auto parts store will likely loan you the puller. once the head is off get some 100 grit wet/dry sand paper. Kick the wheel up to speed and the sand the rust and crap off the shaft. A cheep battery cleaning tool that has a tapered wire brush will help to buff out the hole in the head. Once you get is all cleaned up don't use too much oil on the head. just a light amount to keep it from seizing up again. I had one that was almost scrap when I got it and was able to completely restore it for under 100.00. I loved that wheel wish I still had it.

May 17, 2016
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Randall NEW
by: Lynn

If you are interested in selling a Randall (motorized preferred) and/or the molds to make plaster bats....please let me know

May 17, 2016
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Resale value NEW
by: Melanie

I've been considering selling my motorized Randall kick wheel. How would I determine the value? I understand that the motorized ones are hard to come by.

May 17, 2016
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Resale value NEW
by: Melanie

I've been considering selling my motorized Randall kick wheel. How would I determine the value? I understand that the motorized ones are hard to come by.

May 15, 2016
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RANDALL Wheel Bat Molds (3) NEW
by: Anonymous

I learned on a Randall in college. I moved and bought the bat molds years later. I have three sizes.

I remember we made the bats on a formica counter to ensure a flat surface, using Crisco as a release. Now I use Murphys for that kind of thing. It was fun!

I also remember how much it hurt my forearm to sponge out the monster splash pan, after we had removed the final bat in the evening. I LOVED that wheel.

I am WILLING TO SELL them. I am located near Dallas, TX. If interested, please email marshalynn3(at)earthlink(dot)net.

May 15, 2016
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Original RANDALLl bat molds in 3 sizes NEW
by: Marsha


I learned on a Randall in college. I moved and bought the bat molds years later. I have three sizes.

I remember we made the bats on a formica counter to ensure a flat surface, using Crisco as a release. Now I use Murphys for that kind of thing. It was fun!

I also remember how much it hurt my forearm to sponge out the monster splash pan, after we had removed the final bat in the evening. I LOVED that wheel.

I am WILLING TO SELL them. I am located near Dallas, TX. If interested, please email marshalynn3(at)earthlink(dot)net.

Mar 28, 2014
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Plaster mold
by: In Missouri

I ordered my plaster bat ring mold from a pottery store in Webster Groves, Missouri, called Krueger Pottery, I believe the mold is made for Thomas Stuart kick wheels, but it works on my Randall.

Mar 26, 2014
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pins for randall wheel
by: carol

Hi Lydia,

Would you share how you adapted your randall with pins to accept other bats?

thanks
carol

Mar 03, 2014
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Plaster Bat Molds
by: Lydia

Since Randall wheels are no longer in production, it's kind of a hit or miss situation to find a plaster bat mold to fit the Randall wheel head. I have found Thomas Stuart bat molds for the bucket head style, but I haven't tried them out, so I don't know how well they would adapt. I imagine if the bucket heads are the same size, it shouldn't be a problem.

You could probably make your own mold... One ring about 1" tall, and the same size as your bucket head, a plane for how wide you want your bat to be, then another ring to define the edge. I bet you could even skip the first ring, and just use your bucket head as the mold for the part that fits in... as long as you soap it up really well :-)


Finally, you could just totally adapt your wheel head to hold things with pins.. This is how this potter did it, but I'm sure you could figure out other ways to get the same result
http://gallagherpottery.com/archives/1460

Good luck! I think I plan on adapting my bat head to be able to accommodate bats held on with bat pins.. just to have the option!

Mar 03, 2014
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Bat molds
by: Melanie

Do either of you know where to gat a mold for making bats to fit this bucket head?

Mar 02, 2012
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Same Problem
by: Lydia

Brett,
I bought a Randall a few years ago, and had the exact same problem. We tried soaking it with WD-40, and every other product imaginable with no success. We even tried hanging it from my studio ceiling by the wheel head with no success! We ended up taking it to my Uncle who owns machining equipment, and he took several good whacks to it with a big hammer and it worked!

The main thing is that you need to break up the rust holding the head on there, and it does work to hit it down, even though sense would tell you that would make it worse.

Do you have the flat wheel head of the plaster bat kind? I have the plaster bat kind, and am looking for a flat wheel head.

As for an owner's manual, I can't find anything!

Best of luck.

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